Adrenal Implant sacrifices Quickness uptime for more sustain through evasion and better Power Wrenchsynergy. Condi conversion, damage up (in particular might), and a bit of sustain. Reduces duration of movement impairing effects but doesn't remove. That was my point. It doesnt. Rifle is just not nearly as good. And if this is the case (will test it right after doing Tarir right now), then this still leaves us with just 1 "comparable skills" you provided as an example: mass invisibility. My hope is that Anet will NOT use it as a … Forums. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. 25 might is a LOT less extra damage than quickness (Off the top of my head its about 30% extra damage on 25 might, which mind you even with capacity storage unit you dont get anywhere close to consistnetly, vs 100% extra damage from quickness). Photon Blitz is a DPS boost over autoattacking. Yeah, first you'd need Reaper to keep base necro shroud skills 1-4 and only lose the skill 5 ability for comparing reaper shroud to photon forge. Not something you get with any of the other ones. and needs to have it's power coefficient nerfed. Photon Forge by comparision provides mobility and a minor DPS boost. Thats long-term DPS. Your class doesn't deserve to have access to stealth at all outside of smoke fields. They also dont really have that much sustain. And shield is really, really good. Lol 1v1 with reaper, seems pointless to talk after that argument.Also bunker Reaper even more lolz. Why is firearms so godawful, why has alchemy been nerfed so many times but is still basically required, why even are dead traits, why does aim-assisted rocket have a minimum range. Reaper is an underrated counter to holo. That is a false statement. But at least according to the wiki, it is AoE stealth. Reaper shroud still is much stronger. That doesnt interrupt the second hit and furthermore this second hit can proc EE for aboit 2.5k dmg. The issue is that theyre the only class left doing noticable damage, and even their damage isnt that high, so just having a heal is enough to make you a bruiser. Photon Forge is good for mobility. Holosmith should have augmented engineer into a high risk, high reward damage spec. You could make this case for grenades, but otherwise, I really don't feel that this is the right critique for holo or scrapper. Right now stalling is the same as 1v1. @Leonidrex.5649 said: It's one of the worst designed elite specs from a perspective of just augmenting literally everything the core class does. Also the shroud locks you out of utilities so no condition cleanse no stunbreaks. I find it quite impressive how little numerical changes had happened to these kits since their release. It depends but if the enemy doesn't have a teamfight comp, I'd put my weak sidenoder (warrior, prev etc) on the teamfight instead, so that my reaper can 1v1 holo. Also why are you using Photon Blitz, its a useless skill. If you wish to take any of these traits then using Superior Rune of the Lynx Superior Rune of the Lynx (1): +25 Power (2): +35 Condition Damage (3): +50 Power (4): +65 Condition Damage (5): +100 Po… Yeah it aint even close, Reaper shroud blows photon forge completely out of the park. Guild Wars 2. Race Asura Location Lower Research Stacks Services Merchant. ), but that may be my grumpy bias showing through. BUT, they did buff core and scrapper a bit so I can't complain too bad. I mean, sure why not, but I think its silly that Holo only has 1 real option in that traitline. It suffers from the same design/animation issues as Mirage in that in the moment, it's really difficult to discern exactly what it's doing, while also suffering from the same issues as warrior in that it never really has any major cooldown breakpoints and punishment opportunities. Yes, Reaper Shroud has a bigger drawback in exchange for a much bigger benefit. when you go holo you have 4 F skills AND holo forge. I hope that means core buffs, after the holo nerfs. Actually its because of sword most of all. Even if you assume the Holo uses quickness. This'll make the trait more broadly applicable but on a much lower level. Currently Holo has too much "you have to dodge this" skills, you have dodge their heal, their after dodge effect, their forge and the grenades. Guild Wars 2 ~ Holosmith Roaming | New Elite Specialization #1 [VoD] ... Ahh Simply cannot wait for Anet to nerf this class into the ground. Found the issue here https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Explosive_Entrance_(trait_skill) it has PVE scaling of 332 (1.25) and these have 133(0,5) https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shock_Wave_(trait_skill) , https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reckless_Impact, this one is a hoot though https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lesser_Mark_of_Blood#WvW.2CPvP lol 40(0,1). So I am yet to develop a fun build for the Holosmith. **, Prismatic converter just cleanses, no convert. Reapers attack chain has a total coefficient of 2.326. This nerfs all of Engi even though Holosmith is the only over-performing Engi spec. ; The damage and damage over time occur after a short delay when reaching maximum heat. If it had a longer cooldown and heat was an actual mechanic, nothing would change. Flame Blast and Shock Wave -> both skills get activated through the trait Evasive Arcana while being attuned to fire or earth, both can crit As someone who has used all of those before, its different. Holosmith still has too much disengage and full heal sustain while in combat, and still has too much might, and grenades are still too powerful due to all the damage modifiers and boons holosmith gets. mass invis has twice the cooldown, occupies elite slot and has over twice the cast time, and if you need to stealth allies you will do it equally good. It was stated that you're supposed to give up damage for sustain, sustain for damage, but holosmith currently gets it all for free. Its no comparision, Reaper Shroud is a vastly superior form. @N A T E.3108 said: Then how is that core and scrapper seem less broken then? Cry of Frustration puts out 3 seconds of confusion, so you can only get about 3 skills max outside of the victim using multiple instant cast skills on top of it. Also overtime the sustain and defense orientated traits and utilities in holosmith should be phased out. You dont win a 1v1 without getting someone to +1 you. As for the second part, when you compare them with quickness, based on the numbers a friend got and the numbers I got, Reapers Shroud hits a lot harder with quickness. Thief has Acrobatics, Rev has the Ventari one, Warrior has ... arms, I think? And when it comes to burst? Like which skills? All rights reserved. High quality Renegade gifts and merchandise. The nades are spammable and the animations look the same and the trait is buffing their speed add quickness and might and laser's edge and it adds up, it just does more damage then a designated AoE profession, which tend to need to shed some defense and go into melee to reach the same numbers. Stating that "The issue with Holo isn't an issue with Holo at all" is actually one of the definitions of nonsense. The #1 NA and EU player on the leaderboards both play Holosmith. I'd rather see a hard 25%-33% reduced healing as a draw back for taking Holosmith. I asked you which skills you mean if you say the "other comparable" skills have twice the cooldown. If you take some time to play the classes, you'll easily be able to spot the skills that are being utilized. Anyway I wouldnt entirely disagree that photon forge is a bit of a mismatch. And finally, shockwave vs executioners. The first has a pretty good healing and revives downed players, the other is a fricking portal, so these make sense to have higher cd. I also hate how forge#2 can give perma-superspeed if used off cooldown (wasn't superspeed supposed to be scrapper's thing? Holo is better at 1v1ing, but can teamfight too. A simple deduction is Holo is performing either thanks to holo trait line either thanks to PF either thanks to both. PLEASE let heat benefit more than just sword. It's a step in the right direction at least. Given that it has been the entire length of this expansion and they're doing nothing to address grenades in the upcoming balance patch I think it's safe to assume this is the golden child class of Arenanet. Which of the two can play different roles without hindrance,which one can 1v1, which one can bunker if so wills it.The reaper kit just works for teamfights and it doesn't work outside of that, and currently holo does not have a niche it can be whatever it wants to be it is even contesting reaper on the aoe teamfight just by having grande kit. Nerfs to core skills and traits nerf all Engi specs, not just Holo; therefore, nerfs like that need to be done with the balance of the non-Holo specs in mind as well. Then people just run Big Boomer. I believe I found the best Deadeye sniper build. Shadow Gust: Has lower cd than Toss Elixir S, knocks enemies back and deals slight damage. holo mode should be like shroud and disable all utilitys when active. All orders are custom made and most ship worldwide within 24 hours. The main issue I think is to do with the perks of having high heat. Idk both PF and RS are good, this isn't important to me at all so I'm just gonna leave it here. But granted, this might be the one you are referring here, which is just 1 example. Also, 45 seconds is "low cd"? from 0.6-0.5, now from 0.5 to 0.4), Shrapnel just got nerfed (reduced coef and nerfed cd). You do in Reapers Shroud, sometimes, because its actually way burstier, but even that is rare. I like that Holosmith seems to be intended to be an Engineer that relies less on Kits, just because I've wanted less kit-heavy gameplay for years. Holo nades do too much damage as it is right now. It's still a numbers game. Having perma 20+ might, 3 condi converts every ~8ish seconds, 200-400 healing per second, and essentially perma-superspeed from a single traitline is definitely what I believe should be adjusted. Welcome to /r/GuildWars2 where we strive to be a place where you can share your Guild Wars 2 experiences and partake in discussions with players from around the world. As established above, in an actual use case photon blitz is awful and as such is never used. New Player Guide for the Engineers Holosmith Elite Specialisation. it's just on it's face too high value for what isn't even a grandmaster trait. Enough for it to be full health every time? Also, 'nade kit didn't see any proper use in the past 5 years, so it shouldn't be that surprising. Personally, I wouldnt mind if they gave it more of a drawback in exchange for an actually powerful and cohesive Photon Forge. For other builds, this change is a non-issue. Old Forums Archive PLEASE let heat benefit more than just sword. Nothing changed to this build. The use of holograms doesn't define an holosmith imho, if so, the aetherblades would be for some of them holosmith too, and many asuras too. I'm really bored of it at this point, and I, and many others, absolutely will not wait for another patch weeks, if not months, down the line to fix this spec. The reworked explosives trait line is a little problematic. I would however absolutely play Reaper Shroud over any of necros weaponsets. I think a miracle occurred, but I actually agree with you on that one. Take everything I have said so far, and now assume that the skills take half as long to cast and hit harder. Id probably take the latter simply because utility and survivability are better than just "more damage", but lets call it inconclusive. @Shiyo.3578 said: @DeceiverX.8361 said: Which I mean, it has to be, it carries reaper all on its own. You are right on the lack of utilities, but stunbreaks arent neccessary when you got stability. Your 3,600-5,600 DPS meta build doesn't look so bad now, does it? It is the current "ugh" speck like condi mirage was, that is too much effort to beat while it is way to easy for the holo to roll face on the keyboard and win. Seems stupid, but oh well. Don't 360 while you're using, don't do it around easy line of site and it's fine. Holo both has its forge AND aoe superspeed, aoe boon generation, aoe nuke and low cd aoe stealth. Photon Forge is effectively a mediocre kit. Reckless Impact -> warrior deals damage after dodging, this attack is even unblockable and able to crit This means that this topic is still something that needs to be addressed because balance still is going to suck and build diversity is still going to be trash. i can confidently tell you, if holo had existed in the celestial meta, a celestial meta would have never existed. After so much theory crafting, tweaking, and tuning. Meta builds ripped straight from Gods of PvP aside from swapping off reaper's onslaught just to see what the numbers are looking like it without it. Just saying. becomes even worse than it is now. So a universal "NERF EXPLOSIVE ENTRANCE" or "NERF GRENADE KIT" shouldn't be a part of the discussion unless core and scrapper are over-performing with those as well (which they are not). Photon Forge is still excellent damage. It has ranged burst, melee burst, superspeed, stealth, insane sustain, insane disengage, tanky, condi > boon conversion, tons of boons, and 25 might. Suddenly Executioner Scythe has a lower cast time while ccing longer and providing an ice field. Also, there's no need for a net -healing% on holo. Engineer has been overpowered since Alpha, though. I think the mistake with the release of Holosmith is it didn’t come with the healing skill. You dont stay in Photon Forge to kill someone. Hypothetically it would be, yes. But let's not pretend like meta holosmith doesn't have access to quickness, or even off meta but still viable Holosmith. It takes place over ENTIRE necro shroud. Sure, lets go side by side. Acquisition []. 24:45. Seriously guys, leave this game, arenanet doesnt give a kitten since pvp gives them no money. With Path of Fire only a few days away we wanted to give you a quick summary of the changes to Holosmith that we’ve made since the demo. What a silly person. Blast Shield should trade the damage for barrier. Ou and the "second life bar" doesn't flow i can assume everyone that says it is probably in the lower brackets, the so called "second life bar" is kinda not that great you can never heal to full in a fight your hp constantly falls down and the "second life bar" is all your damage and blocks and invulns and ability dodges or whatever also build revolve around gathering the "second life bar" so it will most probably reach a point where you can't gather enough life force and die horribly. Then it needs to be a lot better than it is right now. But you dont have much better things to do. Reaper is better at teamfighting, but can 1v1 too. And i see you all missing the point that the explosives traitline got PVE buffed, one would say powercrept. I am perpetually blinded against holosmiths and aboslutely SICK of it. Great build with super high, ranged, multi-target burst. Posted by: Pip Squeak.3418. Corona burst provides a bit of damage. My issues with Holo and Scrapper are that they pretty much never seem to have any defensive of offensive downtime, and half of its skills look the same and are often heavily obscured while having some very high-impact effects, even if it isn't just raw damage. Sidenoders are unkillable because damage is too low. The issue with Holo isnt an issue with Holo at all. Let me explain you why it is a bad idea to duel builds that excel at that, at some point you run out of life force generation. in Engineer. Disgruntled Charr Engineer and Pirate - Jade Quarry. Condition P/P Holosmith - 33.3k DPS without confusion procs. Which is, what, 20% crit damage? Its just a ton of free health, which you obtain at rates much faster than lifestealing. Its outclassed by grenade kit (mind you, a kit that wasnt even playable until recently) at all of them. Engineer has Firearms. 3: Again, the damage from Explosive Entrance is relative to the spec playing it. Lasers Edge scales linearly. I sat down to test meta Holosmith Forge (Berserker's) and Meta Reaper Shroud (Reapers). Aside from nades and the free might stacks on high heat there is sth I want to mention that is quite disgusting. Contents. Explosive entrance is still far too strong and STILL can crit while no other trait like this can. The problem arrises from Holosmith's utility, traits, and access to the very high sustain inherent to Engineer means that not only is it a damage dealing monster it's also absurdly difficult to counter pressure and kill in relation to how high damage its damage it. Reaper has to focus fully on the shroud to make it work, holo currently doesn't it just adds power creep to base engi and doesn't earn its god mode, the drawback is not even a drawback, how bad you have to be to blow up with holo. The point of this whole discussion was to point out that core and scrapper do not over-perform like Holo with the same traits. Deaths charge blinds, and Im fairly certain hits far higher, but with the wiki being incomplete I cant say how much higher. GW2 WvW Guardian Roaming 01 - 'Hammer time' - Duration: 8:42. Side by side comparison https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Reaper's_Shroud and https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Photon_Forge . Hypothetically it would be, yes. It isn't any different than any other ranged channel like Confusing Images, Unload, Repeater, Ghastly Clawed, Barrage, Plasma Beam. You have corona burst which is decent, and holo leap which is alright. Let me explain you why it is a bad idea to duel builds that excel at that, at some point you run out of life force generation. blinding power is also single target stealth for thief, not an aoe. Works best with a support by its side which makes up for the build's relative lack of sustain (especially condition cleansing). Better not tell that to Ranger and their 16 second cd smokefield for AoE stealth. Holo both has its forge AND aoe superspeed, aoe boon generation, aoe nuke and low cd aoe stealth. Stating that "The issue with Holo isn't an issue with Holo at all" is actually one of the definitions of nonsense. You say that like Forge has bad damage or something. If you want the breakdown reaper auto attacks ARE stronger than Photon Forge, but Corona Burst and Photon Blitz are significantly more spammable than Soul Spiral allowing Forge's overall DPS to overcome Reaper's on the two meta builds when using quickness from Elixir U, and it's only 800 DPS behind Quickness Marauder Shroud without quickness. Damage aint there. In short: Look at the perks of having high heat, not the photon forge skills themselves. Shrapnel (GM trait in Explosives) could add a cleanse to Explosive Entrance? The other AoE skills either have lower cd or have a higher cd simply because they also got alot of other stuff added to them or are simply way stronger as a stealthing device than Toss Elixir S. @Shiyo.3578 said: In the past three years the major changes were: pre PoF patch buffed 'nade Barrage and Shrapnel Grenade (20% and 12%). And Reaper can obtain that lifeforce quickly and consistently. since other similar skills have twice its cooldown. Reaper for examples gives % boost, a stronger healing passive, and a quickness generator. Scrapper has an even bigger issue in that hammer doesnt have a knockback. Probably not. holo forge takes over 1 F skill. Making it hit only once would be a bad choice- why would anyone take an entire trait-line for one chance on an opening strike? and STILL can crit while no other trait like this can. Explosive Entrance should still 100% see a nerf. Holomancers are the npcs creating holograms, and it's something different from holosmith.--Inquest Overseer Ezrielia 17:44, 14 March 2020 (UTC) That's an understatement. If Photon Forge was anywhere even remotely as strong as Reapers Shroud, then maybe the analogy would work better. But its still a whole lot better than not having any. Engineer. So you have to compare Corona Burst to Soul Spiral. Dont you think the holo traitline is a little bit stacked by having % boost + semi adrenal health passive + might generator ,people usually dip in 2 or 3 traitlines to gain the same results. 2: If Holo needs a nerf to damage (which I don't necessarily think it does) this is a fair option. I don't know where this "jank" complaint comes from. when you go holo you have 4 F skills AND holo forge. Otherwise, holo-specific skills all are very flashy and identifiable. The damage coefficient on explosive entrance is overtuned, it shouldn't proc on any attack but. It takes place over ENTIRE necro shroud. First is the condi damage modifier from Kalla’s Fervor. You ignored the trait that makes reaper shroud actually broken (while I imagine you at the same time didnt ignore enhanced heat capacity storage unit), you assumed a skill so janky its never used is used, and you ignored the entire aspect of heat. Well, yes. Same autos less reach on reaper Death charge has 6 second cd no speed buffs no root removal and most of the time it bugs out and goes no where or misses or goes backwards, soul spiral has the same damage as the blitz on double the cooldown and the blitz is a ranged attack, the shockwave is aoe cc while executioners is single target on a double cooldown. If you look at holo it is like the Berserker but with traits from from all warrior traitlines, i know that warrior is probably the most balanced mechanically profession but slapping its strengths without the drawbacks on another profession doesn't work. If we count healing skills as "utility skills", then there is also Hide in Shadows, which also has lower cd. And the wiki is clearly missing damage. Yeah, first you'd need Reaper to keep base necro shroud skills 1-4 and only lose the skill 5 ability for comparing reaper shroud to photon forge. This patch BARELY touched this class. Corona Burst hits twice and so it quite often happens that you interrpt or stun the holo inbetween the hits. /)_- I think you two miss the point of this entire discussion. Theyre burst forms. This patch BARELY touched this class. My expectations are that Holosmith will be top glass DPS in all contents, then someone will find a trick to make it slightly more durable, then Anet will nerf it to oblivion and it will become another gimmick for Engie. Holosmith should have augmented engineer into a high risk, high reward damage spec. rampage) but that is not the case here. Sure, why not, I prefer explosive Temper anyway. reaper shroud is entire class mechanic. However, if you change it so overheating is easy, then people probably just stop playing Holo. Why are you so surprised to hear about something that happened multiple times in the MOTA? Guild Wars 2 New Player Guide | The Holosmith | The Krytan Herald - Duration: 24:45. Its outclassed by sword (as in, Engineers regular sword) in the most common heat thresholds. From Guild Wars 2 Wiki. This is a pretty good buff which can carry your subgroup even more. Literally big flashing lights and a full-character model make-over into a flashy light humanoid. Yeah, they should nerf the power scaling of explosive entrance in PvP, if anything. And I assume this is why @N A T E.3108 started this converstaion originally, so Holosmith gets nerfed, to be less opressive, so core and scrapper can keep their nice things. Its a mediocre kit. Second, the traits. While I still do think EE should get some nerfs, I don't think it needs them to the extent other on-dodge effects did. Photon Forge is a minor DPS boost? But like I said, it is way more potent. Are you saying there's something wrong with a class that can do high melee and ranged damage, keep high vuln, poison, bleeds, and burns on someone, stealth, cc lock, block, heal to near full in the span of one stealth, become invulnerable, have easy access to quickness and high might, not only cleanse conditions but convert them, spam high damaging aoe attacks, and.. should I continue? Soul Spiral does similar DPS compared to Photon Blitz, however its AoE, a guaranteed whirl finisher, applies very useful poison and isnt a projectile that can be stopped. Theres not even new raids or fractal content, just empty promises. It seems that it functions like a Necro shroud, but it just didn’t feel the same. Holosmith is not unusual here, at all. Its not "excellent damage". Blind on explosive could require you to take 3 trait lines for a single trait and it'd still be obscenely overpowered. A lot of this comes from it's utilities and traits. "Hey here comes a holo-...oh my entire team is already dead to grenade barrage.". There are a lot of things that can be shaved, as the original poster mentioned a few. At least were hitting only holo for once. Suddenly the auto hits more than twice as hard as Holos auto. Then how is that core and scrapper seem less broken then? Except it is. Holosmith started to shine when I finally unlocked Coolant … Holosmith needs to have the same sustain as thief, aka zero. Universally OP skills are, of course, fine to nerf (i.e. reaper shroud is entire class mechanic. Holosmith grants access to the Photon Forge (sometimes referred to as holo mode) and introduces a new resource: heat. Give holosmith the nerfs it DESERVES already. That applies to Holo, to Rev, to Zerk Ranger, everyone. Just saying. Sure, why not. © 2021 ArenaNet, LLC. As a treat. You just get the enemy off the point with CC, and wait for someone to gank you. It is easily possible to stealth an entire zerg with that skill, something that is not possible with Toss Elixir S. Shadow Refuge can't get compared with Toss Elixir S, since it additionally heals all allies affected and also provides a combo field. All that matters is knockbacks, and the fact that damage is too low. They also do even less damage. The only skill that would be a fair comparison for Toss Elixir S would be thief's Blinding Powder. Id like to compare skill 2s, but I dont have a Reaper character. For more detailed info, see the list of holosmith skills. Blind nearby foes and grant stealth to nearby allies. That was kind of expected, with that title. But as a skill bar? Recently, I’m just having so much fun with these builds that I never had a chance to develop a working build from other professions. I'm not saying Reaper Shroud isn't strong but the accessibility of Photon Forge makes it better imo. Oh and another damage boost that I totally forgot about. Image(s) Interactive map (Depths) Holomancer Netto is a merchant found near the Peacemakers Headquarters. Explosive entrance is still far too strong and STILL can crit while no other trait like this can. As it is, its closer to a mediocre kit. "Same autos less reach" higher damage autos. The shroud would be insane even without it. This class will be even stronger now, despite a nerf to grenade barrage, since the tanky classes got a lot less tanky and everyone will be dying quickly to holosmith now, so they will carry games even harder(Both the rank1 NA and EU play holosmith). Variants 1. A quick hop over to Angeel's stream shows him using it pretty regularly, because it's a ranged DPS boost that also allows you to attack targets if they get out of range while in Photon Forge. To deal with those, and the ability for a net -healing % holo. Or most classes skill bars, for that matter reaper all on its own % healing. 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